We promised you a follow-up to the post “Sorry, Mrs. Smith” and here it is. This post is composed by both of us: Mei-Ling, who is the adoptee in the original story, and Cedar.
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Cedar:
I began reading Mei-Ling’s first two blogs sometime in 2008. The story of her journey, an international adoptee discovering her heritage, was compelling; and the way she “wrote from the heart” eloquently expressed the challenges she faced.
In telling the story of how her parents had lost her to adoption, it seemed to me though that sometimes readers would dismiss or gloss-over her words, not comprehending some of the salient aspects of her story, and I began wondering: What was it that kept some people from understanding? Were some people having trouble relating to a family in another culture? I began writing “Sorry Mrs. Smith” with a hope: To tell Mei-Ling’s story in a fictional modern setting that native English-speaking readers might identify with, to perhaps further expose the coercion and lies such that more readers might understand, describing events as if the reader was in the same room.
I sent Mei-Ling a draft, asking for her opinion, and we corresponded back and forth for a few days, refining and correcting the story.
The new fictional account had different names, a different culture, and I put her adoptive father’s words into an agency-worker’s mouth, to further protect her privacy.
We expected discussion, but I admit we were a bit surprised by the amount of outright disbelief that something like this could happen in any country or at any time. There were some readers, especially on Cafemom, who missed the point of the story altogether. One person even somehow concluded that it was a critique of the U.S. health insurance system! Another accused us of making the story more “sensationalist” or “dramatic.” I think you will see by Mei-Ling’s account below, that there was nothing we overdramatized. The actual events were likely quite similar, with the exception of the cultural details we changed.
I will leave it to Mei-Ling to relate “the story behind the story,” but remember, although this story may have happened 22 years ago, coercion still continues today. The agency, Christian Salvation Services, still exists today. You can read their marketing materials:
“CSS provides the funds for life support and other necessary medical care for premature babies or infants with special needs. Often, parents of premature or handicapped infants are unable or unwilling to accept this responsibility and refuse to authorize necessary medical treatment… By intervening on behalf of these babies,this program has changed the lives of hundreds of babies. After the babies are stabilized and have received all necessary medical treatment, they enter the CSS Baby Nursery … Through our international adoption placement program, these infants can be adopted by loving Christian families.”
So, according to CSS, being “unable” to pay is equated with “refusing” to authorize medical treatment they cannot afford. Loving parents are stigmatized as having “abandoned” their babies. Is this how Mei-Ling was ‘”saved”?
- Cedar
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Mei-Ling:
In general, what do you think of the comments made about the blog entry?
They were very interesting to watch. Many of them believed this was a horrible thing that happened. Some presented outright skepticism that due to the domestic setting of the alleged story; for example, how could medical care have been denied? In my opinion, our attempt to make the story more modernized and in a familiar domestic setting that white adoptive parents could relate to may have actually been a huge disadvantage in making the story sound believable, as health care is radically different compared to 2nd or 3rd world countries.
What comments in particular did you like or dislike?
I have been following the discussions on Facebook, CafeMom and Cedar’s blog for some time. As part of this back-story, Cedar thought it would be a good idea for me to expand on what my thoughts were regarding the comments. It’s always very intriguing to witness such a personal story and the reactions that come from people who don’t “know” who you are [online]. Some of the commenters were able to figure it out from the hints, but quite a few hadn’t known.
Those of you who were already familiar with my story and recognized it, thank you so much for your support. Many of the encouraging comments describing how horrible this was (my TW parents not having enough money) perhaps can lead to a better overall understanding of why my personal adoption blog posts have an underlying current of sadness and grief to them and my mixed emotions towards both sets of parents. The circumstance that caused this may be perceived as “simple” to some, but the aftermath, eventual search & reunion became far more complicated than I ever imagined. I have revealed my story to show the Western perspective in terms of adoption privilege towards the Eastern economic and adoption ethics.
There were a few comments which irritated me, but given that we had decided on the familiarity of a domestic setting, I can see how people became confused. Reading things such as “If the parents wanted to keep their child, they would have found a way” honestly stung. Other comments like “Guess their child didn’t matter that much otherwise they would have tried harder – I’d do anything for my child” also stung. I realize that the domestic setting may have led some people to think the story itself was fabricated for pity… but even so, the intention and obvious implication of “they would have found a way” indicates that my parents were “less than” since it implies that if my parents had “cared enough”, they would have found a way. However understandable the confusion was, such comments allow people to imply my parents did not care enough, and that hurt to read.
Sometimes even knowing that the story is not actually domestic is still enough to “allow” people to assume the worst of my original family [since they still relinquished me]. There are some people in real life who do know the basics of my adoption story. I have had a few people in real life tell me directly – face to face – that if my parents had really wanted to keep me, they would have found a way. They tell me that if my mother had really loved me enough, she would have found a way to keep me.
I was not abandoned. I was not unloved. I was not unwanted, nor rejected. I really wish people would stop believing that so easily under the label of “adoption.”
Those types of comments are indicative of first-world privilege and deliberate ignorance of the 2nd-world economy.
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This is the first time I have officially written out what happened. My purpose was to remain objective so you won’t find me commenting on the personal details much. Rather, this is a relayed combination of many aspects and chat log memories with my sister, my narration of the story as I have been told [by my adoptive parents], and my attempt to be as neutral as possible regarding all cultural and adoptive aspects. While later paragraphs indicate I do have a “position” as to how I have viewed my own adoption, I have taken care to expand and explain this position quite. Please keep in mind that any speculation on what my original mother may have believed at the time of my adoption is merely that – speculation – based on my sister’s chats and cultural information I have gathered over the past three years.
Note: Due to the language barrier in reunion, I was unable to ask my mother many questions about my birth, the agency or the orphanage. I did confirm that the motorcycle accident was true. Even when directly asking her the term for “motorcycle accident”, she seemed reluctant to speak about it. Perhaps it was too painful for her to want to discuss. The following background is knowledge I have attained from my adoption files, my adoptive mother’s perspective, my translator who patiently explained the health care system back in 1987, and my sister’s relayed translations from my mother.
Cultural Note: Baba means “father” and Mama means “mother.” In speech, Taiwanese people frequently refer to themselves in the third person, even when talking to family or about family. (Eg. My Baba would often say to me, “Baba and Mama want you to come back to Taiwan again to see us.”)
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My name was legally Huang Mei-Ling for the first seven months of my life. I was the second child, a planned female infant. My mother had already been married and was raising a son who at the time was only 5 years old.
Then, at the end of July in 1987, my mother was involved in a motorcycle collision on her way to work.
Due to the severity of the accident, I was born 11 weeks premature.
My mother told me (relayed through my subsequently kept sister) that I was not breathing. She immediately drove me to the nearest hospital and then I was placed into the incubator. This hospital, called Tseng Hui-Kun, was connected with the adoption agency called Christian Salvation Services. This agency was actually networked with several hospitals in Taiwan and worked with these hospitals in order to provide part of the medical expense taxes for medical care that the parents could not possibly hope to afford. In fact, they set up contracts for the purpose of providing the pre-hospital expense taxes while searching for prospective parents who could cover the actual procedures.
My liver was not functioning properly; I needed blood transfusions. Because I was born so prematurely, the oxygen supplied in the incubator actually ruined my eyes as they were undeveloped. My adoptive mother has told me my condition was so severe that the hospital staff did not think I would live – even with the payment procedure assisting my life support. Around this timeframe, my then prospective parents were seeking out an adoption agency which could assist them with the adoption of an Asian child. They eventually came across the Christian Salvation Services and the social worker who spoke with them told them that I would be “available” for adoption IF the surgical procedure saved my life and IF they were willing to pay.
I quote my adoptive mother here: “[The social worker] said, ‘We have a female infant who was born prematurely. The doctors do not think she will be able to survive, but if she does and you’re willing to pay the bill, you can have her.’”
And thusly my adoption contract was drawn up between the hospital, my original parents, my then prospective parents, and the agency known as Christian Salvation Services.
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My [original] mother and father understood what adoption meant, as indicated in the court papers. She knew that once she signed the papers, her parental rights would be lawfully terminated forever. I have not been able to discuss her thoughts regarding my adoption; rather, the only two direct sentiments I was able to understand were the following:
“I hoped you would come back to Taiwan to see Mama and Baba.”
“Did your Canada Mom treat you well?”
When I enquired online about my adoption, my sister relayed [from Mama] the situation at the time of my hospital bill expenses. Even if my mother had attempted to pay the hospital bill, it would have cost her all her assets and her home – and likely more than that. She would have had no money left for the rest of the family to survive. So the only alternative – which was conveniently offered at the hospital shortly after my birth – was the suggestion of adoption. In an alternate scenario where the hospital allowed payments in an increment system, it would have taken my mother several years to pay the bill; however, that was not the case. Seeing as my mother did not have the money nor could she ever hope to work hard or long enough to pay off the bill [in a 2nd-world economy], there was no choice but to consent on the condition of saving my life.
My total bill was 277,107 NTD. That is equivalent to about $9500.00 USD, since 29 NTD equalled $1 USD (as indicated in my adoption files).
I do not consider that a voluntary relinquishment due to the lack of alternatives and that my mother apparently did not have any assistance, nor did she seem to know of any assistance.
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In 2006, I had contacted a Taiwanese citizen who was an adoptive parent. She had spent many years growing up in Taiwan and naturally, my curiousity led me to question what she knew of the health care system. I revealed my adoption and the hospital contract, complete with the Christian Salvation Services and the social worker’s words as relayed from my adoptive mother.
1.) Did the hospitals require upfront payment? My adoptive mother says I likely would have died if not for the medical procedure.
Answer: Back then, Taiwan didn’t have the Universal Health care system that it has today, and most hospitals wouldn’t even admit a patient unless a deposit was paid up front. This cash system caused so many family tragedies that brought about the medical system reform and Universal Health care systems in 1995. Under the old system, you could have died if your family couldn’t give direct payment, or your family could have gone into a huge debt that would totally have bankrupted the family.
2.) What would have happened if my then prospective parents had not paid? Would I have been taken off the incubator?
Answer: It was not uncommon for private hospitals to discharge patients as they failed to pay the bills. The patients just went home to wait to die. I also remember reading news articles about people with chronic illness committing suicide, because they didn’t want to be such a financial burden to their families. There were also patients seeking emergency care who died right in front of the hospital, because the hospital refused to admit the patients without upfront cash deposits.
I am not sure how long you were in the incubator, but your parents were probably paying the bills as they went and at some point they just couldn’t raise any more money*. As soon as they stopped paying, the hospital would discharge you & leave it up to your fate. You could have lived or you could have died, but you wouldn’t have died in the hospital so the hospital wouldn’t feel any direct responsibility. They would say that you were just unlucky to be born into a family who couldn’t afford to pay the hospital to keep you alive. It was not likely that you would have found Taiwanese adoptive parents, because you were a baby girl and you came with an existing hospital bill as well as potentially more hospital bills.
*Note: My parents were never able to pay the bills at all. My sister has relayed at the time they did not have any extra money for hospital expenses, and that the incubator payments were approximately 500 yuan a day, which equals to 17 USD.
*Cultural Note: The average Taiwanese citizen in 2009 earns about 520 yuan a day, just under 15 USD. Back in 1987 they probably did not earn as much. However, even if they had paid my incubator bills, they wouldn’t have had any money left to survive. Not to mention there were other medical issues which required more money.
3.) What about an increment system? Was there any way possible that a hospital would have allowed the parents to pay a fee at regular intervals?
Answer: A for-profit private hospital usually would NOT let patients pay their bills in increments later. This hospital would have been considered very “charitable” if they had not asked your parents to pay as they went and even gave them time to raise money and was still treating you at the same time. Most hospitals would have just kicked you out right away.
As a preemie, who knows what other health issues might have come up later that would require even more treatments and hospital bills. Here’s the worst case scenario: if your parents had gone to a loan shark to pay the hospital bills, their life (& yours) would have been living hell. Loan sharks were usually associated with gangsters who charge an unbelievable amount of interest, because the most desperate people would turn to them to borrow at any cost. I have read so many times how some families were stuck with interest that was 100 times more than the amount they initially borrowed!
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I have spoken with several people about this circumstance in e-mails. Some of the typical responses are:
1. “At least she gave you a chance at life. At least she chose to let someone else adopt you and provide what she could not.”
2. “She could have aborted you. You should be grateful she gave you the chance to live.”
3. “You could have died! Even your [adoptive] mother said so! Be thankful she consented to the contract that saved your life.”
4. “At least she loved you enough to give you a chance at life.”
I’d like to point out a few flaws in those sentiments, however well-intentioned they may seem:
I was a planned baby.
My mother had no intention of aborting me.
How can there be a choice when there are NO alternatives? Is life-or-death REALLY a choice?
There is also the occasional poster who will say something along the lines of, “Well, look at it this way. The parents either felt, or were led to believe they had no other choice. They loved and wanted the very best for their child but were denied any and all help so that they would believe adoption was their only choice.”
My question is: Why are these parents – not just mine, but I’m sure many others in second-world economies – NOT being offered help or suggestions to keep their babies? If they love and want their babies, why is it a problem to find out a way to assist them so they may keep their babies? Why isn’t anyone questioning this?
In Cedar’s original post, she wrote the line:
Twenty-five years later, the young woman opened up the envelope from the agency, containing her adoption papers. Her past was a mystery, hidden in the unknown a world away, born to people she never knew. She unfolded the letter, then read the agency worker’s careful hand-writing: “The child was born premature to a married couple. For reasons of their own they abandoned the baby…”
The agency and social worker did not write that. In fact, this particular line was written in a typed reference to the director of the Christian Salvation Services who was assisting my then prospective parents with the adoption. This line was written and signed by my adoptive father. The first time I sorted through my adoption files, that line sent a chill down my spine. I wondered, “How could someone consciously write that down while recognizing on some fundamental level that it might not necessarily have been true? Is the word adoption that blinding?”
However.
In order to legally process an adoption overseas, the child must be considered a legal orphan. If the parents are alive then the adoption cannot be completed unless the child is considered an orphan or legally abandoned under the law, otherwise it is considered as legal theft or kidnapping. The adoption cannot be processed appropriately if the parents are alive and the adoption staff are aware that the parents wish to keep their child but are unable to do so. From researching my adoption agency online and discussing the adoption system with a staff translator at St. Lucy’s Center in Taiwan, I have concluded that adoption agencies have a required policy to create a legal abandonment so that the process may be finalized. Therefore, I have every reason to believe that despite my father’s handwritten signature on the reference paper, this was merely a legal procedure required by the agency. It was not his doing, but the agency’s policy.
I have often been told that I cannot undo the past. My relinquishment and adoption were finalized years ago, regardless if it was voluntary or not. They are absolutely right; I cannot undo the past. I cannot go back in time and demand to know what people were doing – or thinking – when they organized my reference papers for adoption rather than seeking out other alternatives to assist my parents in keeping me.
My adoptive mother has relayed the following to me:
“The social worker said that your parents wanted to meet us. I thought it would be a one-on-one thing. I spoke to your dad about it and told him that if we had the chance to speak with her – if we saw her – I would place you back in her arms and tell her to keep you. Please believe me, that is exactly what I told your dad and myself.
“We entered the orphanage, but instead of having the adoptive parents meet directly with the women who were relinquishing their babies, these women must have all been in the back, in the shadows, watching as their babies were placed into the arms of the adoptive parents. If I had known who your mother was, I would have placed you back in her arms and told her to keep you. I could have never forgiven myself if I missed that opportunity. But I didn’t know and it wasn’t a one-on-one thing. I just assumed she must have been back there with the other group of women, watching us from a distance, but I just didn’t know. If I had known who she was, I would have given you back to her. Please believe me.”
I do not know if my adoptive mother would have followed through on her word. I have no doubts that becoming a parent must have been overwhelming, yet clashing with the moral obligation and knowledge that a woman who wishes to keep her child should have been able to. Yet, in the moment of truth all those years ago, I present a skeptical view to my adoptive mother’s words – as her moral judgment may have been quite understandably clouded by the exhilaration of finally becoming a parent.
It is not that I do not question her heart. I question her past ability at that time to separate the moral obligation of doing what she would have perceived to be ethical and what she consciously knew on that day or what she did not “see”, further compounded by the joy-grief collision of emotions. This is called cognitive dissonance: believing that what you are doing is morally right based on your own perspective and what you have been told – when, in any usual circumstance, you would not normally believe it to be necessarily true or morally in-line with your own values.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
I recognize my adoptive mother’s humanity. Her desire to be a parent was no different than my Taiwanese mother’s. Now that I have explored my adoptive mother’s perspective into what went on that day, let me return to my other mother and the issue of cultural obligation.
I hold steady to the belief that my mother’s relinquishment was not voluntary, even if she had been told I would have a “better life” in Canada. It has never been confirmed if she felt this way back in 1987, whether or not she believes she made a decision or if she felt trapped; however cultural obligation comes into heavy play here.
In the hypothetical situation where my adoptive mother had felt inclined enough to speak to a translator that day to give me back, I also wonder if my original mother would have “accepted” me back. Despite the fact that she [Mama] clearly cherished me, I have long suspected she may have felt the cultural obligation to allow my adoptive parents to raise me simply on the basis they paid the bill so that my life could potentially be saved as opposed to some other tragic end that no one [with the means] was willing to take responsibility for.
Perhaps she felt that if she loved me enough, she should give me up to another set of loving parents who wanted very much to adopt me and give me the better life; not only had they saved my would-be Fate from premature death, but since they took the adoption offer, my mother may have felt that she might as well give me a “better” chance at living life anyway.
To summarize: the contract was made to save my life. The adoption part of the deal was the attached “reward.” Two perceived advantages against a huge potential disadvantage.
I do not say this to claim that my mother allowed me to be adopted on the sole belief that I would have the “better life” in a first-world country. That is not the basis for my adoption. My adoption occurred because of a motorcycle collision that left extremely expensive hospital bills. If I had not been premature, my mother would have raised me.
The very fact that [relayed through my sister] my mother had no money to pay, no assistance, and was apparently not given any alternative except for adoption which she agreed, has finally made me realize that she truly had no choice in the matter. Would she have taken me back, or rejected my adoptive mother’s “offer” with upraised hands?
That is a question I have wanted to ask for a very long time, but fear that it implies she must choose between me (her surrender) or my sister (substituted role for relinquishment). It may have indicated to her that she had to hypothetically choose between the past child who may have not survived in the first place, or the future child known as my sister, subsequent “replacement” to the role I would have had. It has occurred to me many times over the course of my visit to their home that even if I had found a way to phrase such a bold question, she might have simply responded with: “I don’t know. How can I answer that?”
Understanding of cultural obligation in the past three years has led me to believe she would have been more likely to “reject” raising me due to my parents’ obligation to pay the bill and as a result, adopt me into a “better life” and economic background. Even though her heart clearly desired to keep and raise me, moral “debt” based on my adoptive parents’ background and what they were willing to pay to save my life would have encouraged her to let me go – no matter how badly she may have wanted to raise me.
Her surrender of me was a matter of life or death. I do not consider that a choice.
But what people do not realize is that this still happens today. It is happening as I type this. Adoption agencies in Taiwan are very aware that more often than not, biological parents love and wish to keep their babies but do not have the money to provide medical expenses. So I question: why aren’t there alternatives for them to keep their children? Why do the papers say “abandonment” when it is not true? Why is this issue of human rights being covered by the façade of adoption?
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ETA:
I’ve noticed this post is getting a lot of attention – not necessarily from the comments, but from the stats.
I’d like to clarify something I wrote earlier:
Perhaps she felt that if she loved me enough, she should give me up to another set of loving parents who wanted very much to adopt me and give me the better life; not only had they saved my would-be Fate from premature death, but since they took the adoption offer, my mother may have felt that she might as well give me a “better” chance at living life anyway.
You might be wondering, “Well, if it didn’t bother your TW parents to the point where they obviously haven’t made a big deal out of it, then why do you care? If they thought it was best at the time that the situation occurred, then why would you let it bother you so much?”
Because I am the one who was adopted.
I am the one who was separated from her family, her mother tongue, her culture and her homeland.
If adoption is really promoted to be in the best interest of the child, then perhaps you should take my opinion into consideration as well. Just because people claimed to know what was best for my health does not mean that money should have had an advantage or that my parents should have had to relinquish on the basis of not being able to provide nearly $10,000 dollars’ worth of hospital bills.
I am the one who was adopted, I am the one who lost her original family through adoption – my opinion matters too.
Or, at the very least, it should.
You can contact Mei-Ling at: little.wing04@hotmail.com

October 4, 2009 at 8:20 am
Mei-Ling, thank you for your courage in telling your story. Cedar did such a good job at altering the facts that I thought it must have been in the U.S., where so many women lose their children solely because of financial lack. I don’t buy any of the crap around “if they loved you they would find a way.” Sometimes mothers and fathers just can’t. That’s a judgement by those who have never had to make those kinds of choices or by adopters who want to believe that the adoption proceedings they went through were clean, true and warranted. And those of us in American and Canada can’t even begin to fathom what goes on abroad.
Like all the wishing I have done in 40 years over my own situation — if only I had run away and tried to make it on my own, if only I had sought help from welfare… a million things, that I didn’t make happen because of doubt in myself, lack of strength, and too much shame… I am sure your Mama feels that same.
It never should have happened. But it did. I wish you and all of your families peace and healing.
October 4, 2009 at 11:12 am
Mei-Ling I too was horrified at some of the comments and as you know I recognized the *sheltered* story that cedar put forth.
I hope now that people truly understand the horrors that your family suffered , in losing you, and you them, all because your mother was in a traffic accident and couldn’t afford the medical bills.
Such a shocking outcome for something that was not your fault nor theirs..
Now we have charities, events,people that raise funds to help people in these situations, what a pity no one was found , to help you and your family
October 4, 2009 at 4:54 pm
This is most powerful and heart-wrenching to read. I would not minimize your story and its grief, but you express yourself so well in a way that encompasses other stories of adoptions. The dire circumstances that vulnerable women are put in when facing losing their child and the overpowering desire of adopting women to become a parent.
I believe I need to read this again and again. You are a wonderful person Mei-Ling to be so giving of yourself. I know that we cannot change the past adoption practices but I also know that we can maybe, maybe change the future.
October 4, 2009 at 10:42 pm
As someone who read the original post and believed it regardless of the setting, I was horrified at some of the replies. Chosen ignorance; some just do not want to know the truth behind adoptions that take place… and I have heard stories such as this one repeated all over the world, regardless of culture so for me this was easy to believe.
The fact is, instead of presenting adoption, there SHOULD have been an agency to assist families pay these medical problems. Why should there need to be a gain at such a cost? Why is it we need to receive something in return for lending a helping hand? I cannot conceive of the morality that leads westerners to feel that we can buy anything; even a human life. If I had the money, I would be helping parents like these KEEP their children… that would be the humanitarian thing to do, the morally RIGHT thing to do. Adoption under these circumstances is abduction… separating a child from his/her parents unwillingly can be seen as nothing else. It is no different to a woman walking into a hospital and snatching another mother’s child. Despite the circumstances being slightly different, the outcome is EXACTLY the same therefore how can we call one adoption and one abduction?
Thank you Mei-Ling for being brave enough to put yourself in the firing line to bring yours and your family’s story to light. I can only imagine the pain and heartache your mother must have gone through… it is stressful enough having a child who is premature and not knowing whether she will live or die let alone having to make the impossible choice… sign your rights away or let her die. How can anyone even dare to criticize this?? And to have people tell you you should be lucky you were not aborted; what the hell is that??? No one was lucky in this story, NO ONE except Mei-Ling’s adoptive family maybe but even then, knowing you received a child because her parents couldn’t pay medical bills and that is the reason why must be a burden to bear. There have been no winners in this story.
October 19, 2009 at 6:46 pm
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October 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm
This post and whole scenario of the planned pregnancy reminds me of the recent scandal of the octuplet mom. She too planned for a pregnancy she could not afford, knowing well in advance that she was single, without enough money to properly support these kids, and already having other children to support. Then she fully expected the government wellfare system (aka the tax paying public) to pay the bills. Rediculous!
I don’t want to negate Mei-Ling’s feelings in all of this, or make it sound like she should never have existed, but saying the government (aka everyone else) should pay to support mothers who intentionally get pregnant when they cannot afford potential medical expenses that come with babies is stupid. The problem lies with poor education and birth mothers who are too selfish to know when to say ‘no more’. Its birth mothers like this that are the reason for the need of a “band-aid” like adoption. Rather than pointing a finger at adoption as an evil thing and saying the government should instead pay for these kids to stay in their birth homes, maybe we could flip things up a bit and say we should have stopped such a hurtful pregnancy from happening in the first place.
Again, not to say that Mei-Ling should not have been conceived, but maybe the answer should be more of a prevention approach rather than letting things like this happen to begin with. If not “prevention” than “fate” really is the only other worthy answer. Sorry, but asking the public to pay for your baby is not fair!
October 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm
support mothers who intentionally get pregnant when they cannot afford potential medical expenses that come with babies is stupid.
I think you should read a bit more carefully. My mother planned to birth and raise me. The only reason she didn’t is because of the vehicle accident. If she had been a single mother, or already had a lot of children and went ahead without thinking about intercourse, I’d agree with you.
But it had nothing to do with being unprepared to pay hospital expenses for a normal delivery.
So your Fate point is out of the question.
October 20, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Actually it is about being unprepared to pay hospital expenses. People who try to get pregnant who don’t have the money to pay if the child has a medical condition or if there is an emergency associated with the birth should not be trying in the first place. Its all about EDUCATION.
October 20, 2009 at 4:07 pm
You would fault the parents for a premature birth by a vehicle accident? Seriously?
October 20, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I would fault the parents for getting pregnant without the financial means to handle the possibilities. Its not only accidents that cause premature births, and prematurity is not the worst of the medical conditions that can happen. Even regular healthy couples who don’t choose to ride on dangerous vehicles while pregnant have babies with expensive medical conditions.
October 20, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I would fault the parents for getting pregnant without the financial means to handle the possibilities.
Do you live in a first world economy?
October 20, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Currently?
October 20, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Yep. Have you ever been in a desperate second-world or third-world situation where you had no choice, no assistance? If you have lived in a second-world/third-world economy where this type of thing happened, do tell. I’d like to hear it.
October 20, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Yes, I have. Not to go through my whole live story, but I’m 40-something and have been around quite a few places, one of which I mentioned in email if you are looking for details. Am I right to suspect, however, that your venture to Taiwan was your first time with such an experience?? It is often quite shocking for young people the first time they venture into the real world and realize how much poverty is actually out there. I experienced similar at about college age.
BTW, I also wouldn’t call all second or third world countries “desperate”. It is a very western view that people in these countries are unhappy savages grown up from desperation, wishing some 1st world country would swoop in to rescue them.
I also wouldn’t say that there are not “desperate” people in first world countries. I’ve lived in gang neighborhoods where kids are shot daily and drugs sold on every street corner. I have witnessed the ugliness and loss of murder. I have grown to understand that first world does not mean there is no injustice.
October 20, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I said a desperate situation, not a desperate second/third-world country. And pardon me, but where did I say I thought they were “savages”?
Actually my first perception was that it would be worse than what I thought it would be. Judging from what people say based solely on my adoption and how “lucky” I am, it led me to think my parents had grown up in a shack with barely any food. That was not the case, far from it.
There is plenty of injustice in first-world, yep. Lots of ethics and morals being called into question. There is also injustice in second/third-world countries, where even the laws aren’t as fair and cultural mindsets are strongly influenced by way of life.
October 20, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Oh c’mon Kelly, you are being so judgmental! Things happen no one can prepare for… it has nothing to do with Mei-Ling’s parents being unprepared financially! They were, just not expecting a car accident. Do you live your life with money sitting around because you feel like you are about to be hit by a car? (which is no way to really live) Seriously!
What happened here was tragic. There was no choice involved, Mei-Ling’s mum and dad are not to blame just because they didn’t have the right funds. This happens in other countries and yet there is a way to get by, to get help, not to have to ‘choose’ between your daughter dying or losing her another way.
You say you have been ‘around’ other countries… how long have you actually lived amongst these people in these countries you have been to? I too have been to third world countries and LIVED in slums for a few years… and my view is vastly different from your own which makes me wonder what you actually saw because you lack comprehension of this situation; compassion and cultural sensitivity.
I am not trying to attack you… but I am horrified at your comments.
October 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I think being “horrified” at my comments is a little dramatic don’t you think? There are many REAL horrors in the world. True life in the “slums” is beyond simply being poor. Murder, prostitution, selling your child into slavery because you truly don’t know where your next meal will come from. Living in the “slums” requires hardening yourself to one tragedy after another. Families in the slums love each other the same, true, but they have also become desensitized to loss. They don’t feel pain and loss the same as people who live in nice neighborhoods. They have emotional walls that protect them from all that is constantly taking place around them. It is a survival mechanism.
Have I been hardened by my life? Yes, I suppose I have to some degree. Maybe that is why I am coming off as harsh in this discussion.
I believe Mei-Ling indicated that her parents did not live in anything close to the Slums, so I’m not sure why it was injected here. Slum life is the sort of thing that makes adoption look like a carnival ride. I hope this puts my points into better, less “horrifying”, perspective.
October 21, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Kelly, I am horrified by your comments too. By that logic no one should have kids except for the very well-to-do in wealthy nations. Mei-Ling’s mother had no way to predict nor plan for the accident that forced her to make the awful decision between letting her child die or letting her be adopted.
October 21, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Um, Kelly, you really have no idea what you are talking about. That is very plain to see.
“Living in the “slums” requires hardening yourself to one tragedy after another. Families in the slums love each other the same, true, but they have also become desensitized to loss.”
This has to be the biggest load of crap I have EVER seen. It was through my experience of LIVING amongst the poorest of the poor that I have become overy sensitve TO loss and tragedy and so yes, your comments HORRIFY me Kelly. I don’t believe you have even come close to seeing or experiencing what I and my family have.
I have seen these people’s lives be ripped apart by tragedy, their grief was not bearable. They have more of an idea of what grief is than you could ever hope to grasp and their sense of loss was never desensitised, for you to say that proves your ignorance. You remind me of the teams of people who would come by for a few weeks to have their “experience” and then off they would go thinking they have seen the lot. Yet you haven’t see much at all.
And no, slum life soes NOT make adoption look like a cranival ride. How can anyone be so ignorant? Adoption strips a child of their culture and heritage, it doesn’t provide help where its needed. The West takes out of these countries causing poverty to get worse when it should be helping. The West is really a culture in need of mental health as it really is unbearably sick.
Oh and your statement about people in nice neighbourhoods… who are you to judge what is nice?? I would much rather visit a family in the slums whih is happy than some American/westernised “palace” with all its materialistic trappings and be fake and artificial. People in the west are unformed, have nothing in their souls and so they are less likely to grasp the meaning of what loss does to a person. People in the West are better at being CRUEL to each other as they don’t have to survive. They have time to sit around worrying about their own needs and how they are more important than the next person.
You are more desensitised to other’s feelings than you realise. You are not hardened. Desensitivity to other’s pain is a disease in the West. We don’t know how to care for our own the same way.
And why slums were injected in here? It was through your implications, your words, the way you spoke about being poor etc. You judged them on that basis which is what many middle class westerners do whilst they desperately try to get into the “upper”class group. It really is sickening.
I am still horrified at your comments. Horrified in a different way than being horrified at what is out in the world. Horrified at your blatant lack of compassion for those less fortunate than yourself.
October 22, 2009 at 2:42 am
Kelly, you believe that people should never have children unless they can guarantee that they will always be able to have the financial resources to cover every single contingency, every conceivable possible natural disaster or act of God, and that if they cannot, then it is their fault and they should expect to have to surrender their children to others who are more “financial secure.”
You put down parents who have given birth and talk about “EDUCATION!”:
“The problem lies with poor education and birth mothers who are too selfish”
“Its birth mothers like this that are the reason for the need of a “band-aid” like adoption”
“EDUCATION”
“Think EDUCATION!!”
“if you are not prepared … you have no business getting pregnant.”
“As for getting pregnant and having a premature baby through no fault of your own… what a silly thing to say. It is always your’s and your partner’s fault. ”
But have you never heard of human rights? The horrors of the two world wars, including forced separation of parents and children, led in-part to the crafting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Within it is Article 25, which protects the rights of all parents to the support and resources they need to keep their families together. Because we are human — and not dogs, dandelions or tadpoles — we all have these inherent rights, as agreed upon by the General Assembly of the U.N.
You are 40-something years old intelligent, well-educated woman. You posted your comments from the server of the Georgia State government, and are well-along your career path. I guess you finished your higher education and got financially secure and successful in your career first before “starting your family.”
From the pic on your Facebook profile, you also adopted a child from China. Likely from one of the adoption-related “rescue agencies” that are listed in your FB causes?
If so, do you mind me asking: Were you too late in life by then to conceive (given that fertility begins declining at age 27), or was adoption actually your “first choice”?
You consider giving families the support they require to keep their babies and raise their families to be wrong and a “waste.”
But Kelly, family support, done right, is NOT wasting money. It is an investment. A child who is given the support (yes, let’s phrase it as providing money to the children to support their right to stay with their own family) at an early age and education they require will end up in a far better place. This in turn improves society as a whole. Support the child, give the family the money, food, shelter, and education they require and deserve, and you get a child who later on is a tax-payer who pays FAR more back in taxes than the money their “welfare family” received as a child from the taxes THEY and THEIR parents paid into the system. That is how you invest in families.
Example, using that ever-present scapegoat: Did you know that “teen mothers” who keep and raise their babies end up financially, educationally, and socially better off 10 years later than women matched demographically who got pregnant and did not complete the pregnancy? Yes, they drew more on welfare on the short term, but LESS in total on public assistance in the LONG term! An investment was made, by society, that befitted both mother and child. And THIS, for a likely unplanned pregnancy (almost half of ALL pregnancies are unplanned, in case you didn’t know that).
If all unintended and unplanned pregnancies were eliminated, society would soon have negative population growth, and Canada is an example of such: we have to allow huge numbers of immigrants to keep our economy going because of our low birth rate.
October 22, 2009 at 2:56 am
Myst,
You say you are not out to attack me, but clearly that is not the case. I will excuse it knowing you have experienced loss and knowing the anger and need to strike out at others that loss causes. I know who I am, where I came from, and where I’m going. I came to terms with a lot of things years ago, and have no need to prove myself to anyone but me.
I now see the error of my earlier posts. This is a blog forum for support, open to the public, but not really open for outsider’s discussion. You were supporting each other, and I interjected with an unwanted opinion. I’m sorry to have interrupted. Good luck to you all, and I hope you find some peace.
October 22, 2009 at 3:26 am
No, no, Kelly. You have a right to your opinion. However, it’s how you delivered your opinion. When you said it was my mother’s fault for having me prematurely and lacking the ability to pay the costs. When you have clearly criticized her for not being able to “prepare” for an accidental premature birth and that it was also her fault for deciding to get pregnant in the first place, your compassion for those as less-than isn’t really coming through. All these “facts” you have listed as deliberate “faults” regarding my mother are merely attempts to frame her.
October 22, 2009 at 4:49 am
Wow. It worries me that she’s got a child from China.
But actually, knowing that, I can see why she is so defensive. She’s projecting here. She feels she is being told she is part of the evil, so she tells herself it was the birth parents fault, or “lack of education” to make herself feel better – even though we have seen clear evidence to the contrary in Mei-Ling’s case. Give her time, she might see the error of her ways. I used to get defensive too when people would say or imply that they are against adoption (being an adoptive parent myself), but now I can see where they are coming from and see validity in their arguments.
But who knows, that level of social immaturity is hard to overcome.
October 22, 2009 at 5:20 am
Kelly,
I wasn’t out to attack you, but I AM horrifed and shocked at your apparent lack of empathy for others and that is my opinion.
Your comments regarding people and communities in slum life offended me as I have many friends who live like this and your statements were so off about them and their communities I was offended for them.
This has nothing to do with support. You are entitled to your opinion but everyone has a choice in the way they deliver their opinions. Your damnation of people who are unprepared for the cruel twists that happen in life upset me greatly as I didn’t see it as being so much of an opinion as a judgement.
As for this being a support forum, again, you are mistaken. This is a blog where comments are left regarding a post. This post is about someone’s story; their life and your comments were unnecessary and unhelpful given they were loaded with judgement.
Can I ask what gives you the right to judge another human being and dismiss their suffering? You stated in a post that people living in slums are so desensitised to loss and suffering they don’t feel the same way we do… I feel you are talking about yourself because you do not appear to know what suffering is.
And you can dismiss my comments because I have suffered etc… that has nothing to do with my disgust at what I have seen posted here. You may be comfortable with who you are and where you are going et… but I feel sad you seem to have so little love and compassion for your fellow human beings and I am uncomfortable for you with who you are as you can not see past your narrow minded view of life.
Myst.
October 22, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Kelly, Judgemental much? What gives you the right to judge Mei-lings mother or any mother in this situation? Have you no decency, no common sense? You are dismissive or others emotions, and their stories by simple dint of your own experience. Did you wait until it was too late to have children of your own? Did you adopt your little “China Doll” feeling as if you were saving her from the awful prospect of being raised in her own country, amongst her own people, culture and heritage? Do you really believe that she was an orphan and abandoned? Or like most do you simply have blinders on because you wanted so badly to be a mother? Women like you make me want to scream. How dare you assume you know the why’s and wherefores in any situation? How dare you voice such opinions without knowing what really happens to mothers when put in a position like Mei-lings mother was. How dare you assume that babies are a product for sale to the highest bidder! Adopters like you make me sick. Adopters like my daughters parents make me sick- you are far to quick to judge and assume without knowing a damn thing about the women behind the babies you covet.
You offended me with your ill thought out responses, your assumptions and your smugness. It worries me that you have an adopted child-it really does. Will you someday tell her that her mother wasn’t prepared to pay for any eventuality that might arise and so gave her away simply because she could not afford her? Do you realize that in China if they keep giving their daughters away they may soon not be able to sustain themselves as a people? Too many boys, not enough girls- and their people could die as whole because there is so much money to be made through adoption, and girl children are not valued as highly as boy children. Did you go outside the US to adopt because it is easier to keep those pesky first mothers from interferring in your little fantasy world of “as if born to” yes, women like you who judge without knowing all the facts make me very angry. If you are going to post on a blog such as this, you ought to consider your words more carefully and be prepared to listen to what our lost ones have to say, as well as what we have to say about adoption. It is not all rainbows and butterflies, and unicorns- It is destructive, hurtful and angry making for those of us victimized by the system.
*steps off* sorry Cedar and Mei-ling this just made me see red!
October 22, 2009 at 6:53 pm
WOW.. this is a story of misfortune.. mei-ling, i am sorry for your situation.. sorry for your parents being put in that position. Imagine the outrage if this goes on here in the USA. But then again it has in the past.. Social Services would step in and advise US Parents to give their child up for adoption as they could NEVER afford the life long bills. I actually met an adoptee who was given up under these circumstances, and her foster parents were not allowed to adopt her until she was a teenage for the same dam reasons!
kelly sorry if you feel that your being attacked.. but JC have a little more compassion for all parties involved.
October 23, 2009 at 12:46 pm
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October 25, 2009 at 2:49 am
Naturally this is a terrifying subject for many APs. Who wants to think their child isn’t really an orphan or abandoned? Yet, I realized my daughter most likely isn’t an orphan and that abandoned is simply a legal term. I’m just now realizing that, sadly. I’m have no reason to believe that her first family doesn’t mourn for her daily and we have always felt that we are the 3rd best option for her – first being with the family she was born to, second the country she was born to. But that wasn’t what happened and here we are.
October 27, 2009 at 12:12 am
I wonder if Kelly had a tragedy with one of her children how she would go about paying for all the medical expenses.. Even people with good jobs and planned children have medical emergencies that drain their funds, cost them their jobs.. and loose their houses. I dont care what country your from i think the story is pretty simple to understand.. a family had an unexpected expense due to a medical emergency. Unfortunately, only adoption was the way out of the situation.. how friggin sad is that.
October 27, 2009 at 1:14 am
The comparison between the single mother of octoplets and this story is preposterous. What happened to this mother could happen to any responsible person (that’s why they call them accidents), although I feel the consequences for that accident were appalling and irresponsible. A single mom choosing to get pregnant in a way that risks multiples that she knowingly can’t afford to care for – that’s irresponsible.
December 14, 2009 at 7:50 am
Thank you, now I understand.